tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6601056345219122672.post6434312793747422020..comments2022-03-26T13:59:23.053-07:00Comments on Anglican Music: Bedford is no St. LouisJ.Westhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00248876387772558074noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6601056345219122672.post-19918749450710867642009-06-29T07:03:36.158-07:002009-06-29T07:03:36.158-07:00It always amazes me that people claim that "t...It always amazes me that people claim that "the women should keep silent" (a reference to preaching, if you actually take the time to read the entire context of 1 Corinthians 14) is an unclear teaching of Scripture.<br /><br />Coupled with (and this is not an exhaustive list) the priestly structure in the Old Testament, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, the 12 apostles, and the history of the church, I'm still utterly stunned that people debate this issue.<br /><br />I shouldn't be surprised, though. People are still sinners. And to an extent I am relieved that we are not the only church body struggling with this issue.Josh Osbunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17906913610780375868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6601056345219122672.post-60509820414390089592009-06-29T00:06:49.511-07:002009-06-29T00:06:49.511-07:00I agree with Matthew that the problem with the St....I agree with Matthew that the problem with the St. Louis churches is their disunity. If they had managed to come together in a single body they might have become the safe haven for current refugees from TEC - both individuals, as well as congregations and dioceses.wnpaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18231515296470375310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6601056345219122672.post-14206873225049950022009-06-27T19:12:33.116-07:002009-06-27T19:12:33.116-07:00That may be true but most of the dioceses in ACNA ...That may be true but most of the dioceses in ACNA do NOT ordain women priests.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6601056345219122672.post-44690472306019073952009-06-27T17:52:10.539-07:002009-06-27T17:52:10.539-07:00The ecclesiastical structure that the constitution...The ecclesiastical structure that the constitution and canons of the ACNA create has few if any real safeguards against the abuse of power. Power is not only centralized but the Governance Task Force and the Provincial Council have shown a willingness to ignore the provisions of the constitution and to arrogate to the province powers that the constitution does not delegate to the province, setting a bad precedent. They were called on giving the archbishop duties and responsibilities that the constitution does not authorize and therefore in violation of the constitution which explains why the constitutional provisions related to the archbishop were amended. The much touted article protecting property rights of local congregations permits dioceses to hold property in trust and a related canon permits them to take property into trust with the written consent of the local congregation. The provision related to women's ordination is not in the constitution but in the canons and seems worded more to protect the right of dioceses and jurisdictions to ordain women than it does to protect the rights of dioceses and jurisdictions opposed to women's ordination. If the perfunctory manner in which the constitution and canons were ratified is an example of how business will be conducted in the Provincial Assembly, it will be little more than a rubber stamp of the Provincial Council. Feeling uneasy is a natural reaction to the ecclesiastical structure the two documents create. I am speaking as a conservative evangelical.Heritage Anglicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13536133779405456898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6601056345219122672.post-24335113634699606302009-06-27T16:19:46.372-07:002009-06-27T16:19:46.372-07:00I'm glad to hear that. My experiences with the...I'm glad to hear that. My experiences with the St Louis crowd were a while back. It is entirely possible I'm over generalizing from an especially contentious sample.mousestalkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07640977915382623244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6601056345219122672.post-63498031461827883132009-06-27T14:23:06.276-07:002009-06-27T14:23:06.276-07:00Please test that impression, Matthew. There is les...Please test that impression, Matthew. There is less disunity among them than there is among my own Antiochian Orthodox Church in America.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6601056345219122672.post-20506161790985266462009-06-27T12:28:32.944-07:002009-06-27T12:28:32.944-07:00Much as I agree with what you write, the problem i...Much as I agree with what you write, the problem is that the Congress of St. Louis folks generally do not agree, with each other, much less with anyone else.<br /><br />From where I sit they are to ACNA as Arnor was to Gondor.mousestalkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07640977915382623244noreply@blogger.com