tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6601056345219122672.post97490005770745929..comments2022-03-26T13:59:23.053-07:00Comments on Anglican Music: What is "Anglo-Catholic"?J.Westhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00248876387772558074noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6601056345219122672.post-19649940669662881082007-12-10T22:18:00.000-08:002007-12-10T22:18:00.000-08:00How Catholic is no longer Anglo-Catholic? Citing R...How Catholic is no longer Anglo-Catholic? Citing Richard Hooker, Peter Toon of the Prayer Book Society argues that splitting with Rome <A HREF="http://pbs1928.blogspot.com/2007/10/seeking-unity-with-rome-traditional.html" REL="nofollow">is just as valid today</A> as it was 400 years ago.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that salvation by works is no longer a Reformation-derived church, and thus there is a bright line between Catholic and Anglo-Catholic. Since many Protestants seem to share this belief, perhaps works salvation is not a strictly "Catholic" belief.J.Westhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00248876387772558074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6601056345219122672.post-6305010170057598292007-12-10T15:36:00.000-08:002007-12-10T15:36:00.000-08:00Oh, and I don't think most of the CoE intend Tradi...Oh, and I don't think most of the CoE intend Tradition to be at all important. At best, they may mean tradition, as in the way we did it growing up, or in a more extreme case with Peter Toon, who means "since the English Reformation," but it is a rare individual who wants Tradition to mean "since the early Church."Jeffrey Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341795071490408744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6601056345219122672.post-9182261292619148812007-12-10T15:30:00.000-08:002007-12-10T15:30:00.000-08:00I think the best way to describe it is that the Or...I think the best way to describe it is that the Orthodox don't have a 3 legged stool, but rather the seamless garment. Tradition is the whole thing. Scripture, the teachings of the Fathers, the Liturgy, and certainly reason as a part of it (although Theology in an Eastern sense is knowing God, not knowing about Him).<BR/><BR/>So, as you put it, Tradition would be a bigger leg in some ways. It is the context in which we understand Scripture, but it is not something that could stand in opposition to Scripture in any way.Jeffrey Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341795071490408744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6601056345219122672.post-21647169891635542872007-12-10T14:07:00.000-08:002007-12-10T14:07:00.000-08:00Even though Hooker didn't have a 3-legged stool ma...Even though Hooker <A HREF="http://anglicanmusic.blogspot.com/2007/11/preserving-traditional-faith-and.html" REL="nofollow">didn't have a 3-legged stool</A> many Anglicans still act as though this is primal COE doctrine.<BR/><BR/>In your description of the Orthodox faith, your tradition leg seems a lot bigger than that for the COE/Anglican Communion. Do you think that for Orthodoxy tradition is more important than reason or scripture? Or do you think it's that the COE (even among Anglo-Catholics) does not really intend for tradition to be co-equal with scripture and reason?J.Westhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00248876387772558074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6601056345219122672.post-996452570979953412007-12-10T13:39:00.000-08:002007-12-10T13:39:00.000-08:00I think you have the variants of AngloCatholicism ...I think you have the variants of AngloCatholicism about right. Therein lies a huge problem. High Church Calvinists vs. High Church Romanists (for want of a better phrase).<BR/><BR/>Of note is another Dr. Ramsey quote: "The Orthodox said in effect: "...The 'tradition is a concrete fact. There it is, in its totality. Do you Anglicans accept it, or do you reject it?' The Tradition is for the Orthodox one indivisible whole: the entire life of the Church in its fullness of belief and custom down the ages, including Mariology and the veneration of icons. Faced with this challenge, the typically Anglican reply is: 'We would not regard veneration of icons or Mariology as inadmissible, provided that in determining what is necessary to salvation, we confine ourselves to Holy Scripture.' But this reply only throws into relief the contrast between the Anglican appeal to what is deemed necessary to salvation and the Orthodox appeal to the one indivisible organism of Tradition, to tamper with any part of which is to spoil the whole, in the sort of way that a single splodge on a picture can mar its beauty." ['The Moscow Conference in Retrospect', in Sobornost, series 3, no. 23, 1958, pp. 562-3.]"Jeffrey Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341795071490408744noreply@blogger.com